{"id":22465,"date":"2023-10-23T15:29:14","date_gmt":"2023-10-23T06:29:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/?p=22465"},"modified":"2023-10-23T15:29:15","modified_gmt":"2023-10-23T06:29:15","slug":"20231023-22465","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/news\/20231023-22465\/","title":{"rendered":"Why do Japanese people tend to drop all formality when talking to foreigners even though Japan is so big on being polite?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Politeness of speech is an important part of communication in&nbsp;Japan.&nbsp;While using the right level of formality can make you appear educated and refined, a misstep in speech may damage your&nbsp;image.&nbsp;This way of communication is well known to native Japanese speakers, however, it seems that when it comes to talking to foreigners, some Japanese people tend to drop all&nbsp;formality. A non-Japanese sociolinguist\u2019s insight on the topic has recently grabbed the attention of users for highlighting the differences in communication styles in conversations between Japanese people&nbsp;and&nbsp;foreigners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1350\" height=\"802\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1350px) 100vw, 1350px\" src=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22467\" srcset=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001.png 1350w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-600x356.png 600w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-380x226.png 380w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-768x456.png 768w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-150x89.png 150w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-300x178.png 300w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-696x413.png 696w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-1068x634.png 1068w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-001-707x420.png 707w\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In an X\/Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JoyTaniguchi\/status\/1714579813011513447\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">post<\/a>, a foreign sociolinguist residing in Japan shares her theory on an occurrence that she experienced at a pharmacy in&nbsp;Japan.&nbsp;In the post, the doctor tells of how, when purchasing medicine at the pharmacy, the employees spoke to her slowly, seemingly making an honest effort to be easily&nbsp;understood.&nbsp;But for some reason, they chose to speak to her in \u201ctameguchi.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In Japanese, tameguchi refers to speaking in a casual or informal&nbsp;manner.&nbsp;This way of speaking is typically used when talking with people you have some level of closeness with, like friends and&nbsp;family.&nbsp;Tameguchi often involves the use of shortened or altered versions of words and phrases, the omission of subject&nbsp;particles,&nbsp;and is an overall laid-back style of communication that allows speakers to express themselves more&nbsp;freely.&nbsp;Additionally, the level of politeness in tameguchi can vary significantly based on the speaker&#8217;s&nbsp;tone.&nbsp;While it may be suitable for interactions with those close to you, it&#8217;s very easily considered impolite or inappropriate when speaking to individuals you&#8217;ve just met or in a professional&nbsp;setting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"864\" height=\"506\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 864px) 100vw, 864px\" src=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22468\" srcset=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002.png 864w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-600x351.png 600w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-380x223.png 380w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-768x450.png 768w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-150x88.png 150w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-300x176.png 300w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-696x408.png 696w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-002-717x420.png 717w\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>There are several levels of formality used for different situations in the Japanese&nbsp;language.&nbsp;In contrast to tameguchi, the considerably more polite and formal speaking style, keigo, would be used in situations such as conducting business or talking to a&nbsp;customer.&nbsp;Keigo is used to humble the speaker while showing respect to the&nbsp;listener.&nbsp;To communicate in this more refined style, the speaker will use special alternatives to common words, utilize passive voice, and will refer to themselves in a humble&nbsp;manner.&nbsp;In most establishments in Japan, if you interact with employees, you\u2019ll usually be responded to with&nbsp;keigo.&nbsp;Surprisingly, it seems that at the pharmacy the doctor visited, employees decided to skip the pleasantries and take a more informal&nbsp;approach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, all of this is not due to Japanese people trying to be rude or condescending to&nbsp;foreigners.&nbsp;It seems they mistakenly consider tameguchi to be easier to understand than polite&nbsp;speech.&nbsp;This is due to the fact that tameguchi \u201csounds shorter\u201d and seems more stripped of unnecessary words \u2013 which is a sound&nbsp;logic.&nbsp;But in her following tweets, the doctor rebukes this, saying that tameguchi does not equal easy to&nbsp;understand,&nbsp;which comes from the fact that beginner Japanese learners tend to start learning Japanese words in their polite&nbsp;forms.&nbsp;This means that switching to casual speech is likely to make words unrecognizable for&nbsp;beginners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1350\" height=\"802\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1350px) 100vw, 1350px\" src=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22469\" srcset=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003.png 1350w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-600x356.png 600w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-380x226.png 380w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-768x456.png 768w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-150x89.png 150w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-300x178.png 300w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-696x413.png 696w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-1068x634.png 1068w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-003-707x420.png 707w\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>It seems that many users in Japan were surprised by the doctor&#8217;s post, not realizing that the casual speaking style was actually harder to understand for many people who didn&#8217;t know much&nbsp;Japanese.&nbsp;One user&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/shu_14142\/status\/1714752773630439795\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">asked<\/a>,&nbsp;&#8220;I apologize, but when I speak with foreigners who are not proficient in Japanese, I tend to use shorter forms in an attempt to be more concise, which can make it sound somewhat&nbsp;informal.&nbsp;What can I do to use a Japanese speaking style that is easier for foreigners to&nbsp;understand?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As mentioned above, for many people who start learning&nbsp;Japanese,&nbsp;the first speaking style taught to them is the standard polite form or \u201cteineigo.\u201d This form is widely used to communicate with others in a clear and respectful&nbsp;way.&nbsp;It&#8217;s typically the initial style learned by many foreigners due to its common usage, offering an effective means to communicate ideas to others without causing offense or being overly&nbsp;formal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1926\" height=\"894\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1926px) 100vw, 1926px\" src=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22479\" srcset=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005.png 1926w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-600x279.png 600w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-380x176.png 380w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-768x356.png 768w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-1536x713.png 1536w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-150x70.png 150w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-300x139.png 300w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-696x323.png 696w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-1068x496.png 1068w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-1920x891.png 1920w, https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/20231023-22465-005-905x420.png 905w\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>However, for many native Japanese speakers, they were likely raised with a mixture of both the polite form and the more casual, tameguchi speaking&nbsp;style.&nbsp;This could explain why some Japanese people tend to use tameguchi for its perceived straightforwardness and&nbsp;brevity.&nbsp;Although, it seems that this approach has inadvertently led to communication difficulties for&nbsp;some.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"ja\" dir=\"ltr\">\u3053\u308c\u3068\u5168\u304f\u540c\u3058\u3053\u3068\u304c\u67d0\u770c\u306e\u904b\u8ee2\u514d\u8a31\u8a3c\u30bb\u30f3\u30bf\u30fc\u3067\u3082\u3042\u3063\u305f\uff01\u3042\u308b\u4fc2\u54e1\u304c\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u306b\u30bf\u30e1\u53e3\u306a\u306e\u306b\u3001\u79c1\u3060\u3051\u656c\u8a9e\u3067\u8a71\u3057\u3066\u3066\u30e2\u30e4\u3063\u3066\u305f\u3002\ud83d\ude05\u601d\u308f\u305a\u300c\u65e5\u672c\u8a9e\u7fd2\u3044\u305f\u3066\u306e\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u306b\u306f\u300c\u3067\u3059\u307e\u3059\u300d\u306e\u65b9\u304c\u5206\u304b\u308a\u3084\u3059\u3044\u3093\u3067\u3059\u3088\u300d\u3063\u3066\u8a00\u3044\u305f\u304f\u306a\u3063\u3066\u305f\u3057\u3001\u914d\u616e\u306e\u3064\u3082\u308a\u306a\u3093\u3060\u308d\u3046\u3051\u3069\u3001\u4e0a\u304b\u3089\u76ee\u7dda\u3067\u611f\u3058\u60aa\u304b\u3063\u305f\u306e\u3088\u306d\u3002 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/HTUOLqhcYA\">https:\/\/t.co\/HTUOLqhcYA<\/a><\/p>&mdash; \u3082\u30fc\u3061\u3083\u3093 (@mochan64) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mochan64\/status\/1714600336919331281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 18, 2023<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><font size=\"2\"><strong>Post translation: <\/strong>The exact same thing happened at a certain prefecture&#8217;s driver&#8217;s license&nbsp;center!&nbsp;There was an employee who was using casual language only with foreigners, while addressing me with humble speech, which left me feeling&nbsp;confused.&nbsp;I couldn&#8217;t help but want to say, &#8220;Using &#8216;desu\/masu&#8217; (polite speech) is actually easier for foreigners who have just started learning Japanese,&#8221; and I understand they were trying to be&nbsp;considerate,&nbsp;but it came across as&nbsp;condescending.<\/font><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The Japanese language has various ways of communicating, with some varying significantly in&nbsp;complexity.&nbsp;It seems that for some Japanese people, when attempting to accommodate those still learning the&nbsp;language,&nbsp;it can be challenging to decide which method of communication will be the most likely to be understood, especially if they have limited experience conversing with non-native&nbsp;speakers.&nbsp;In the case of the pharmacist in the doctor&#8217;s post, although tameguchi may be shorter and more concise, a beginner in Japanese would be more likely to find the standard and&nbsp;polite,&nbsp;teineigo form to be easy to&nbsp;understand.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why do some Japanese people tend to rely on casual speech to communicate with foreigners? 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