{"id":14960,"date":"2022-08-16T13:25:18","date_gmt":"2022-08-16T04:25:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/?p=14960"},"modified":"2022-08-16T13:25:20","modified_gmt":"2022-08-16T04:25:20","slug":"20220816-14960","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/news\/20220816-14960\/","title":{"rendered":"The Super Smash Bros. Ultimate discourse around Steve being too strong is brewing up again"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><br><br>The <em><strong>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate<\/strong><\/em> pro scene has seen another instance of <strong>Steve<\/strong> dominating the competition with arguments for and against the powerful character breaking out once again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-background\" style=\"background-color:#f5f5f5\"><strong>Related article:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/news\/20220622-13516\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate players discuss if Steve should be banned after a fresh face dominates recent tournament<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Fierce matches at Super Smash Con 2022<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Discussions around Steve took the spotlight because of a large-scale fan event held in the United States called Super Smash Con 2022. The event featured offline tournaments for each title in the <em>Smash Bros<\/em> series, with special attention being paid to the <em>Smash Ultimate<\/em> singles division.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Powerhouse players like MkLeo, Riddles, and other high-ranking competitors were set to appear and many thought one of them would claim the top prize. However, there was a dark horse among them. A rising star from Michigan who goes by Onin. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Onin started appearing in tournaments regularly in 2021 and is only 16 years old. While their resume may not be full of achievements yet, Onin defeated top players one after another and sparked a discussion around their character of choice, Steve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps:\/\/twitter.com\/BanStevePLEASE\/status\/1559006854541344769\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The mighty Onin<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Onin didn\u2019t just win\u2014they dominated the top players in the field. This included a sweep of MkLeo, a <em>Smash Ultimate<\/em> player from Mexico that many consider to be the best in the world and who consistently places well in large-scale tournaments. Things were going smoothly for MkLeo at Super Smash Con 2022 too as they continued winning matches with their main character Byleth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, MkLeo and Onin would soon face off in the Top 32 Bracket. MkLeo started strong by demonstrating some skillful moves, but the tricky style of Steve would prove to be overwhelming. By using blocks to maintain spacing, the minecart, and a combination of pickaxe combos and TNT, Onin put together a variety of attacks that were too much to handle. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The last game was especially shocking as Onin was able to put Byleth away without dropping a single stock. Seeing a young newcomer steamroll who many call the \u201cking\u201d of <em>Smash Ultimate<\/em> left viewers astonished.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"SSC 2022 Top 32 - MkLeo (Byleth) Vs. Onin (Steve) Smash Ultimate Tournament\" width=\"1160\" height=\"653\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DTnlulI6J1I?start=484&#038;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>After winning against tournament favorite MkLeo, Onin went on to defeat Riddles, Glutonny, and finally Maister to claim the top spot in the tournament. With such a young competitor reaching the mountain top after going through so many strong players, it looked like a new star had been born. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, it also served to fire up the ongoing discussion around whether Steve is too strong of a character. That\u2019s because this isn\u2019t the only example in recent memory of a young competitor using Steve to take down the top level of competition.<br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Another Steve-playing dark horse<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>To be more specific, when Japanese player acola won The Gimvitational, a <em>Smash Ultimate<\/em> tournament many proven players were invited to participate in. At the time, acola was only 15 years old but used Steve to take down top-level players and win the event. Since then, there have been calls from players and fans alike to ban Steve from competition (<a href=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/news\/20220622-13516\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">related article<\/a>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"ja\" dir=\"ltr\">\u30b3\u30ed\u30ca\u3067\u8272\u3005\u60c5\u52e2\u304c\u5909\u308f\u3063\u3066\u3001\u4e88\u5b9a\u7684\u306b\u3082\u4e0a\u624b\u304f\u565b\u307f\u5408\u308f\u306a\u304b\u3063\u305f\u306e\u3067<br>\u4eca\u56de\u306eSSC\u306f\u898b\u9001\u3089\u305b\u3066\u3044\u305f\u3060\u304d\u307e\u3057\u305f&#8230;\u697d\u3057\u307f\u306b\u3057\u3066\u304f\u3060\u3055\u3063\u3066\u305f\u65b9\u306b\u306f\u7533\u3057\u8a33\u306a\u3044<br>\u81ea\u5206\u306e\u4e2d\u3067\u6d77\u5916\u5927\u4f1a\u306b\u884c\u304d\u305f\u3044\u6c17\u6301\u3061\u306f\u3042\u308b\u306e\u3067\u3001\u4eca\u5f8c\u826f\u3044\u6a5f\u4f1a\u304c\u3042\u308c\u3070\u662f\u975e\u51fa\u305f\u3044\u3068\u601d\u3063\u3066\u3044\u307e\u3059<\/p>&mdash; ZETA\/\u3042cola (@acola_Lui) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/acola_Lui\/status\/1557171324396904448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 10, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><figcaption><font size=\"2\"><strong>Tweet Translation:<br><\/strong>Circumstances have changed because of COVID-19, and also, my schedule didn\u2019t work out. Because of this, I will be missing SSC\u2026 I want to apologize to those that were looking forward to seeing me play. I also want to participate in overseas events, so when a good chance comes along, I want to go.<\/font><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>*acola was actually scheduled to play at Super Smash Con 2022 but withdrew because of the current situation regarding COVID-19.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br>But even still, Steve dominated the event and added more fuel to the fire surrounding the character. MkLeo commented that while Steve is a strong character, he doesn\u2019t feel that he played well. He also said he knows why he lost and will practice to perform better next time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Yeah steve carries but i also didnt play good lmao<\/p>&mdash; LG | MkLeo (@Mkleosb) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Mkleosb\/status\/1558821989816717319?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 14, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">It is what it is, i know why i lost and all i can both sets and all i can do is get practice and try better next time. Meta is changing and im down to get better at it.<br>5th at SSC losing to onin and gluto<\/p>&mdash; LG | MkLeo (@Mkleosb) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Mkleosb\/status\/1558978497254653953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>What pros who have faced off against Steve think<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Riddles, one of the players Onin beat at the event, replied to a tweet by <em>Smash Ultimate<\/em> director Masahiro Sakurai saying, \u201cPLS PATCH SMASH BROS SPECIAL AND NERF STEVE PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Glutonny, another player Onin went through at the event, tweeted, \u201cSteve is good for no one &#8230; Players that play Steve will get shit on and insulted. And those who doesnt will get mad. Very sad situation tbh.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Light, another competitor at the event, joked, \u201cI see this as Steve firing me from my job. I&#8217;m applying for mcdonalds.\u201d While everyone had praise for Onin, many players have taken a critical stance on Steve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">PLS PATCH SMASH BROS SPECIAL AND NERF STEVE PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS<\/p>&mdash; Liquid | Riddles (@RiddlesMK) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RiddlesMK\/status\/1558981591078121472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Steve is good for no one &#8230;<br>Players that play Steve will get shit on and insulted<br>And those who doesnt will get mad<br>Very sad situation tbh <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7ivvAnIVyw\">https:\/\/t.co\/7ivvAnIVyw<\/a><\/p>&mdash; SLY | Glutonny (@GlutonnySSB) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/GlutonnySSB\/status\/1558994216767963142?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Yah see this as Steve killing the game. I see this as Steve firing me from my job. I&#39;m applying for mcdonalds.<\/p>&mdash; \ud83d\udca7Light\ud83d\udca7 (@Light_S21) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Light_S21\/status\/1558978009155047424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>As for Onin, they have their own Twitter ID set to @BanStevePLEASE in what feels like a mix of sarcasm and self-deprecation. Even a separate account they used previously had the Twitter ID of @WeHave2BanSteve, so it looks like Onin is fully aware of the controversy surrounding the character.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>acola <a href=\"https:\/\/mobile.twitter.com\/acola_Lui\/status\/1558829273007370241\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">commented<\/a> on the results by connecting it to the criticism Bayonetta players received in <em>Super Smash Bros. for Wii U<\/em> and wondered if this is how Bayonetta players were talked about in those days. For players putting up results with Steve, it\u2019s a complicated position to be in.<br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Steve is under fire<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>While many pros are saying that Steve is too strong, some are of the opinion that ways to counter the character just haven\u2019t been figured out yet and that the situation isn\u2019t as bad as Bayonetta was in <em>Super Smash Bros. for Wii U<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Amid the discussion around Steve, Sparg0 hinted that they may be returning from their hiatus by tweeting, \u201cGuess I\u2019ll have to intervene.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Guess I&#39;ll have to intervene<\/p>&mdash; FaZe Sparg0 (@Sparg0ssb) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Sparg0ssb\/status\/1558979936282562560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>While Onin dominated the event and proved their skill, results like these also establish that Steve is a strong character. Threat levels around Steve are higher than ever, even compared to when acola won The Gimvitational. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, <em>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate<\/em> director Masahiro Sakurai stated with the patch in December of 2021, balance changes to the game are done. With the development team now dispersed, it\u2019s hard to think that changes will be coming to the game. However, it will be fun to see how the meta evolves going forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-background\" style=\"background-color:#f5f5f5\"><strong>Related article:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/automaton-media.com\/en\/news\/20220622-13516\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate players discuss if Steve should be banned after a fresh face dominates recent tournament<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p style=\"font-size:12px\"><br><br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p style=\"font-size:12px\"><em>Written by. 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